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No brakes applied in NY Prius crash: NHTSA

Reuters -- U.S. investigators looking into the claim of a runaway Toyota Motor Corp Prius in New York last week said on Thursday no brakes had been applied before the vehicle hit a wall.

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Submitted Mar 18, 2010 By: Mudsprings

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kelsielee Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,389 Points:672,025 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 9:05:36 AM Ignore kelsielee Report Abuse This is what happens when there is so much media coverage about a situation. Now every driver error with a Toyota will get blamed on the car - continuing to add to the bad press for Toyota. However, as these stories get discredited, it will not help those who have had legitimate problems with their Toyotas - it will only muddy the waters for everyone.
FordF2502001 Champion Author Mississippi Posts:5,673 Points:1,153,745 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:43:45 AM Ignore FordF2502001 Report Abuse SOunds like the gas is too close to the brake.
Gary65 Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,501 Points:511,655 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:13:13 AM Ignore Gary65 Report Abuse Toyota is starting to fight back. Today, they cast doubt on the story of that guy - remember the guy last week that said his Prius accelerated out of control on the freeway? They said they found significant inconsistencies in his story. And let me tell you something, that's embarrassing when a car dealer calls you a liar. - Jay Leno
CruisinLinda Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:7,947 Points:1,621,420 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 11:58:33 PM Ignore CruisinLinda Report Abuse This is not "bad press" for Toyota. It looks like good press to me.
signwiz Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,395 Points:1,349,080 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 11:08:12 PM Ignore signwiz Report Abuse Let's see... if the driver stomped on the gas instead of the brake, maybe that might explain things.
Grismer Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:6,258 Points:1,271,445 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 11:02:29 PM Ignore Grismer Report Abuse Fascinating.
Bhmf4 Champion Author Alabama Posts:1,319 Points:841,105 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 10:23:42 PM Ignore Bhmf4 Report Abuse Toyota had better find out what is happening as this continued bad press will hurt sales for a long time to come.
methaneman Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,787 Points:1,093,050 Joined:May 2002	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 10:16:54 PM Ignore methaneman Report Abuse Who would have ever thunk a Prius could go that fast. I feel better/safer driving my F350 with all the Toyotas flying down the highway and add to the fact some Hondas cannot stop. Yikes!
Bezalel Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:9,758 Points:1,827,505 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:54:17 PM Ignore Bezalel Report Abuse "...the media is rapidly discrediting itself. " Ah, they did that long ago.
willsaveNY Champion Author Albany Posts:1,503 Points:636,780 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:50:10 PM Ignore willsaveNY Report Abuse Yeah, maybe no brakes applied, but sales for all these car companies has been seeing nothing but brakes. Well of course not FORD sales, They've got the pedal down baby. Figured Out Restructuring Disaster fast and better they them all. No brake for Ford, all pedal to the metal.
gxs Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:15,365 Points:2,368,500 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:41:50 PM Ignore gxs Report Abuse SURPRISE! SURPRISE! The media have created a great deal more fear and anxiety for Toyota owners than those Toyota owners need or deserve. We are in an era when the media is rapidly discrediting itself.
Nortnarg Veteran Author Kansas City Posts:425 Points:376,135 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:38:01 PM Ignore Nortnarg Report Abuse What??? My Prius has brakes??
Rednix Champion Author Miami Posts:3,879 Points:813,770 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:31:49 PM Ignore Rednix Report Abuse Somebody has some splaining to do!
MacSpot All-Star Author Virginia Posts:774 Points:814,895 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:29:39 PM Ignore MacSpot Report Abuse I've owned my 2005 Prius for 5 years, with no problems, so this story does not surprise me. I would buy one again. NPR had a story on the black boxes in Toyotas, which were introduced about a decade ago as a test mechanism to gather data to improve safety. They apparently are not easy to read, and Toyota may make them easier to decode in the future. That makes me wonder how many American cars have similar black box devices to capture accident details (if any), and how hard it is to read the data on them.
zeddieiv Champion Author Columbia Posts:5,651 Points:1,490,920 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:29:22 PM Ignore zeddieiv Report Abuse Leave itb to a New Yorker to try to capitalize on Toyota's problems.
kingpin6 Champion Author Arkansas Posts:2,566 Points:1,187,495 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:27:35 PM Ignore kingpin6 Report Abuse Gee, I am shocked to hear this.
julius1st4 Champion Author Ontario Posts:3,132 Points:1,025,095 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:23:55 PM Ignore julius1st4 Report Abuse I read this article in "Bloomburg" It will now be very interesting to see the analizes of the prius [ that the State Trooper helped to stop]
SUPERQUACK Champion Author Sacramento Posts:3,975 Points:1,484,690 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:21:50 PM Ignore SUPERQUACK Report Abuse toyrunner300 IS EXACTLY RIGHT ...
Patch44 Champion Author Buffalo Posts:5,603 Points:1,356,035 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:21:37 PM Ignore Patch44 Report Abuse Gee, what a surprise!
toyrunner300 Champion Author Calgary Posts:3,219 Points:1,214,835 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:20:04 PM Ignore toyrunner300 Report Abuse Driver mistake...not a surprise, I am sure it is the case in 90% of Toyota's problem. For the other 10%, it might be problem on the car, nothing is perfect.... but it is in the average of other cars anyway.
RobertSpratt Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:2,607 Points:595,585 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:15:00 PM Ignore RobertSpratt Report Abuse They should hang all of the scammers trying to make a buck off of this issue
RobRD Champion Author Alberta Posts:3,828 Points:896,020 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:12:36 PM Ignore RobRD Report Abuse Anything to try and make a buck off of Toyota's woes.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:10,800 Points:1,003,045 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:08:23 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse At least this woman in Harrison, New York appears to just have had an accident, and was not doing a publicity stunt so she could hire some slip and fall lawyers.
1Casey Champion Author Albany Posts:4,516 Points:1,418,710 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:06:43 PM Ignore 1Casey Report Abuse Has this been checked by a technician ? has it had a diagnostic check ? Even if this was driver error, there have been enough issues to require the recall.
netman044 Champion Author Texas Posts:5,285 Points:893,285 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:06:11 PM Ignore netman044 Report Abuse The article yesterday stated that the "black box" didn't record any data before airbag deployment. Which is it? Data before the crash or no data before the crash.
mark1962 Champion Author Albany Posts:3,385 Points:800,865 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:02:49 PM Ignore mark1962 Report Abuse It seems like a scam!
dbatw Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,686 Points:341,165 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:02:07 PM Ignore dbatw Report Abuse thought I smelled (another) rat.... Does anyone know how to spell DRIVER ERROR? Yeah, go ahead and blame Toyota, or whichever manufacturer is the lawsuit of the day, and hire a lawyer first and then sit back to collect. Hah, hah, hah, hah, hah.....
jcurley Champion Author California Posts:5,632 Points:1,320,595 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 9:01:18 PM Ignore jcurley Report Abuse I thought so. Good comments so far. I almost (!) feel sorry for Toyota. How do you fix a phantom problem? Come up with a phantom (but cheap to resolve) fix, like changing the floor mats. However, I like my 2006 Prius. I average 50+ MPG. There is plenty of room. My main complaints are: #1) The seats are designed for someone with an average to short back. And there is no way to adjust the seat height. The other issues appear to be fixed in the 2010 model.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:10,800 Points:1,003,045 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:57:17 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse Slip and fall lawyers in Harrison, New York must have been drooling over this case until it became apparent that driver error is the reason for this accident.
goodbuy Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,509 Points:991,935 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:54:13 PM Ignore goodbuy Report Abuse So when and if you are in an accident, ALWAYS have your car towed to your home. Then make the police or whomever get a warrant for the "black box" or data recorder. Protect yourself.
Jeff1944 Champion Author South Dakota Posts:3,082 Points:676,835 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:52:14 PM Ignore Jeff1944 Report Abuse Analyzing the "black box" will be the court's determining factor, in my opinion.
jimnecci Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,411 Points:2,004,695 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:51:17 PM Ignore jimnecci Report Abuse the short data loop is needed for the ABS software to function properly.
must87searcher Champion Author Maryland Posts:6,661 Points:1,313,540 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:50:49 PM Ignore must87searcher Report Abuse More investigation and information still needs to be gathered.
Zeke33 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,866 Points:1,277,690 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:49:50 PM Ignore Zeke33 Report Abuse Some people nowadays do not take the blame for their own actions but blame someone else, namely Toyota.
streetcars Champion Author Toledo Posts:9,920 Points:2,147,820 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:47:34 PM Ignore streetcars Report Abuse DEG you did not know that the computer in your car keeps a record just like a "black box" in a commercial airliner. Just shorter I think it retains the last 30 seconds.
NatureBoyKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:2,646 Points:975,430 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:44:58 PM Ignore NatureBoyKY Report Abuse Toyota probably has a problem. However, much of what we are seeing is simply pile it higher BS from the US media.
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:15,392 Points:3,053,405 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:41:15 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse Where's the proof one way or the other?
WilW Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,859 Points:2,210,785 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:38:29 PM Ignore WilW Report Abuse ah HA! Shades of the Audi 5000 boondoggle of the mid '80's.
epf Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:3,943 Points:1,425,205 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:24:22 PM Ignore epf Report Abuse blame the attorney
cruisingtx Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,480 Points:971,655 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:23:44 PM Ignore cruisingtx Report Abuse Blame the driver!
geeforce Rookie Author Phoenix Posts:28 Points:449,585 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:20:40 PM Ignore geeforce Report Abuse Very interesting that everyone is blaming their problems on the Prius. If I had a Prius... It is NOT my Fault it got into a wreck!
ozzy4one Sophomore Author Portland Posts:248 Points:2,610,135 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:16:05 PM Ignore ozzy4one Report Abuse I'm not really a "Toyota" fan but I think their getting just raked over the coals for this.
Insp0999 All-Star Author South Carolina Posts:707 Points:266,160 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:10:29 PM Ignore Insp0999 Report Abuse Need to see if there are really more Priusis with problems out there. A recall for an unknown cause is useless.
ACTown Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,853 Points:1,118,695 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:07:39 PM Ignore ACTown Report Abuse Does not surprise me. ambulance chasers will all try this one.
SSchmidty Champion Author Illinois Posts:6,953 Points:1,323,635 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:04:02 PM Ignore SSchmidty Report Abuse Don't even for a moment think that the brain trust at Toyota didn't know the "consumer ire" they knew they were playing with over this deal!! $$$$
danny999 Champion Author Florida Posts:6,345 Points:1,171,085 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 8:00:32 PM Ignore danny999 Report Abuse you and your Congressional UNION LOVING cronies chew on this one BHO.
SpaceAce5 Veteran Author South Dakota Posts:300 Points:68,195 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 7:53:28 PM Ignore SpaceAce5 Report Abuse on, and on, and on
PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:7,160 Points:1,364,905 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 7:51:23 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse When the News Media gets some like this they don;t know when to let go.
POLELANE Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,148 Points:828,370 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 7:51:09 PM Ignore POLELANE Report Abuse The feel and resistance of a brake pedal would be rather easy to discern from the further travel and less resistance of an accelerator. Sorry to hear of any accident that could be avoided; but the electronic gremlins lurking in the attorneys' discovery could change our opinion of this event.
TheSnowstorm Champion Author Montreal Posts:6,817 Points:1,473,500 Joined:June 2005	Message Posted: Mar 18, 2010 7:50:44 PM Ignore TheSnowstorm Report Abuse This reminds me of what happened years ago with Audis and sudden acceleration problems. I don't dispute that there us a problem with some of the Toyota product that is out there, but I don't believer that the numbers are truly as high as they are (real cases). In order to cover any and all potential problem vehicles, especially with a problem like this that appears to be intermittent and with as yet no proven cause, a responsible manufacturer would recall all potentially problematic vehicle.